From leviathan at libresilicon.com Fri Apr 10 20:35:55 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 19:35:55 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography Message-ID: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> Hi everyone So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so. We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks and then doing overlapping exposure steps. Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue. I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple. Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between. while(!eow()) { // end of wafer expose_mask(1); expose_mask(2); step_to_next(); } cheers -lev -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From christoph.maier at ieee.org Fri Apr 10 21:07:11 2020 From: christoph.maier at ieee.org (Christoph Maier) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 21:07:11 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography In-Reply-To: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:37 PM David Lanzend?rfer wrote: > > Hi everyone > So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature > sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so. > We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks > and then doing overlapping exposure steps. > Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue. > I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the > toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple. > Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple > exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between. > > while(!eow()) { // end of wafer > expose_mask(1); > expose_mask(2); > step_to_next(); > } https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-_D-cVIsLk > cheers > -lev_______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers From staf at fibraservi.eu Fri Apr 10 21:51:27 2020 From: staf at fibraservi.eu (Staf Verhaegen) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 21:51:27 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography In-Reply-To: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> Message-ID: David Lanzend?rfer schreef op vr 10-04-2020 om 19:35 [+0100]: > Hi everyone > So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature > sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so. > We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks > and then doing overlapping exposure steps. > Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue. > I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the > toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple. > Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple > exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between. > > while(!eow()) { // end of wafer > expose_mask(1); > expose_mask(2); > step_to_next(); > } This is not going to work. What you basically will be doing is adding two sinusoidal intensity profiles with half the period shifted on top of each other giving almost not modulation of the intensity anymore. There is not reason why this would only be possible with DMD and not with two physical masks. greets, Staf. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pavel at noa-labs.com Sat Apr 11 02:29:54 2020 From: pavel at noa-labs.com (Pavel Nikulin) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 06:29:54 +0600 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography In-Reply-To: References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> Message-ID: Hello, Did anybody have time to check on Jade Bird Display? It appears to me that the company is still functioning after all, despite their EE and testing people leaving. The real man behind the enterprise, Qiming Li, is quite a well known guy with LED and materials people. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:51 AM Staf Verhaegen wrote: > David Lanzend?rfer schreef op vr 10-04-2020 om 19:35 [+0100]: > > Hi everyone > > So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature > > sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so. > > We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks > > and then doing overlapping exposure steps. > > Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue. > > I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the > > toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple. > > Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple > > exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between. > > > while(!eow()) { // end of wafer > > expose_mask(1); > > expose_mask(2); > > step_to_next(); > > } > > > This is not going to work. What you basically will be doing is adding two > sinusoidal intensity profiles with half the period shifted on top of each > other giving almost not modulation of the intensity anymore. > There is not reason why this would only be possible with DMD and not with > two physical masks. > > greets, > Staf. > > > _______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leviathan at libresilicon.com Sat Apr 11 12:10:33 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:10:33 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography In-Reply-To: References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> Message-ID: <1929820.EO7WfrvM3K@lenny> Hi Staf Of course it would also work with physical mask. The goal here is to eliminate the additional step of physical mask making. Removing the need to physically manufacture masks and then physically switching masks within the stepper aligner would save time and money. This said. The discussion right now is about on how to make the most of this new way of exposing. Of course, you can do virtually everything with a DMD chip, you could also do, if you had physical masks in there. The only advantage is a simplification of the manufacturing process and a cost reducting, due to the elimination of the mask making step. Cheers -lev On Friday, April 10, 2020 8:51:27 PM WEST Staf Verhaegen wrote: > This is not going to work. What you basically will be doing is adding two > sinusoidal intensity profiles with half the period shifted on top of each > other giving almost not modulation of the intensity anymore. There is not > reason why this would only be possible with DMD and not with two physical > masks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From leviathan at libresilicon.com Sat Apr 11 12:13:09 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:13:09 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography In-Reply-To: References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> Message-ID: <4684724.ouWcl5u1nE@lenny> Hi Pavel I haven't yet had time to look into this company. Also, my new boss *sobbing again*, pointed out that we might have slightly different intensities with each micro LED, which might lead to uneven exposure. That's why I'm eyeing at DMD chips again. Cheers -lev On Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:29:54 AM WEST Pavel Nikulin wrote: > Did anybody have time to check on Jade Bird Display? It appears to me that > the company is still functioning after all, despite their EE and testing > people leaving. The real man behind the enterprise, Qiming Li, is quite a > well known guy with LED and materials people. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From staf at fibraservi.eu Sat Apr 11 13:29:08 2020 From: staf at fibraservi.eu (Staf Verhaegen) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:29:08 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography In-Reply-To: <1929820.EO7WfrvM3K@lenny> References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> <1929820.EO7WfrvM3K@lenny> Message-ID: David Lanzend?rfer schreef op za 11-04-2020 om 11:10 [+0100]: > Hi Staf > Of course it would also work with physical mask. What I do want to say is that it will neither work for DMD as for physical masks. You can't increase resolution by doing two prints in a resist over the resolution you can get with a single print in that same resist. There have been tries to make the resist non-linear by doing a bake step in between the two exposures but this causes asymmetry in sensitivity to the image between the two exposures and has not made it in production AFAIK. AFAIK, only techniques where the first print is developed in resist and then transferred through etch in a mask layer and then doing a second exposure in a fresh resist layer has made it in production. greets, Staf. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can't increase resolution by doing two prints in a resist over > the resolution you can get with a single print in that same resist. There > have been tries to make the resist non-linear by doing a bake step in > between the two exposures but this causes asymmetry in sensitivity to the > image between the two exposures and has not made it in production AFAIK. > AFAIK, only techniques where the first print is developed in resist and > then transferred through etch in a mask layer and then doing a second > exposure in a fresh resist layer has made it in production. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From staf at fibraservi.eu Sat Apr 11 21:09:56 2020 From: staf at fibraservi.eu (Staf Verhaegen) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:09:56 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography In-Reply-To: <25209274.eqJgNNQ2UF@lenny> References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> <1929820.EO7WfrvM3K@lenny> <25209274.eqJgNNQ2UF@lenny> Message-ID: <6e696acf6ea1de5109dbd9d83199af05a73ddaaa.camel@fibraservi.eu> David Lanzend?rfer schreef op za 11-04-2020 om 15:57 [+0100]: > Hi StafNow I'm getting what you're trying to tell me!Good point! > However. Double patterning is possible in this way:https://www.techdesignforums.com/practice/guides/double-patterning/ > > This already gives us the possibility to squeeze a bit more resolution outof the stepper. Right? The LELE is the generic technique for doing double patterning and what I was also hinting at but as name says it involves 2 litho and 2 etch steps. The SADP looks nice when looking at cross sections but has big restrictions on what one can print. It basically can only print lines of one fixed size and they are formed around the border of the first pattern. This means that you likely need a third litho + etch step to remove the lines in places where one does not want them and possibly a fourth litho + etch step if one wants to also have lines with a bigger width. This technique is mainly used for NAND Flash where you have these long parallel lines, AFAIK it is not used for random logic. greets, Staf. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 4:13 PM David Lanzend?rfer < leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote: > Hi Pavel > I haven't yet had time to look into this company. > Also, my new boss *sobbing again*, pointed out that we might have slightly > different intensities with each micro LED, which might lead to uneven > exposure. > That's why I'm eyeing at DMD chips again. > > Cheers > -lev > > On Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:29:54 AM WEST Pavel Nikulin wrote: > > Did anybody have time to check on Jade Bird Display? It appears to me > that > > the company is still functioning after all, despite their EE and testing > > people leaving. The real man behind the enterprise, Qiming Li, is quite a > > well known guy with LED and materials people. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ludwig.jaffe at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 23:38:31 2020 From: ludwig.jaffe at gmail.com (ludwig jaffe) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:38:31 -0400 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography In-Reply-To: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> Message-ID: But you need reproduceable movements. Try to move from right to left and from left back to right and find the offset. What holds true for a turning machine also holds true for a chip scale machine. The problem are similar but shrunk together with the requirements in dimension. So turning at 0.05mm is enough for most applications, and the chip needs to be 0.05um precise. :-) On 4/10/20, David Lanzend?rfer wrote: > Hi everyone > So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature > sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so. > We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks > and then doing overlapping exposure steps. > Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue. > I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the > > toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple. > Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple > exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between. > > while(!eow()) { // end of wafer > expose_mask(1); > expose_mask(2); > step_to_next(); > } > > cheers > -lev From LibreSilicon at jovi.net Tue Apr 14 22:00:09 2020 From: LibreSilicon at jovi.net (Devon Sean McCullough) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? In-Reply-To: <2294526.uaLiDUUDmq@lenny> References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn> <2294526.uaLiDUUDmq@lenny> Message-ID: <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net> Next time, let?s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon instead of Mumble. Peace ?Devon P.S. I?ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages, so please connect and check to see if it works for you. From pg at futureware.at Tue Apr 14 22:04:01 2020 From: pg at futureware.at (Philipp =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FChring?=) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:04:01 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? In-Reply-To: <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net> References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn> <2294526.uaLiDUUDmq@lenny> <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net> Message-ID: Hi, Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash. Best regards, Philipp G?hring -----Original Message----- From: Devon Sean McCullough To: David Lanzend??rfer Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? > Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon > instead of Mumble. > > Peace > ???Devon > > P.S. I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages, > so please connect and check to see if it works for you. > _______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers From leviathan at libresilicon.com Tue Apr 14 22:10:05 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? In-Reply-To: References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn> <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net> Message-ID: <2698589.cJHmoZtmTA@lenny> Hi For me it only works properly under FireFox. When I use Chrome, the Chrome thread starts using all my CPU and the system freezes. aka. Jitsi+Chrome DoSes my system. -lev On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:04:01 PM WEST Philipp G?hring wrote: > Hi, > > Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash. > > Best regards, > Philipp G?hring > > -----Original Message----- > From: Devon Sean McCullough > To: David Lanzend??rfer > Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600 > Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? > > > Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon > > instead of Mumble. > > > > Peace > > > > ???Devon > > > > P.S. I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages, > > so please connect and check to see if it works for you. > > _______________________________________________ > > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From pg at futureware.at Tue Apr 14 22:20:40 2020 From: pg at futureware.at (Philipp =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FChring?=) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:20:40 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? In-Reply-To: <2698589.cJHmoZtmTA@lenny> References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn> <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net> <2698589.cJHmoZtmTA@lenny> Message-ID: Hi, Here is the bugreport for the Firefox issue for anyone who is interested: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758 Best regards, Philipp -----Original Message----- From: David Lanzend?rfer To: Devon Sean McCullough , libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com, Philipp G?hring Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? > Hi > For me it only works properly under FireFox. > When I use Chrome, the Chrome thread starts using all my CPU > and the system freezes. > > aka. Jitsi+Chrome DoSes my system. > > -lev > > On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:04:01 PM WEST Philipp G?hring wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash. > > > > Best regards, > > Philipp G?hring > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Devon Sean McCullough > > To: David Lanzend??rfer > > Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600 > > Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? > > > > > Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon > > > instead of Mumble. > > > > > > Peace > > > > > > ???Devon > > > > > > P.S. I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages, > > > so please connect and check to see if it works for you. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > > > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > > > > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers > > From merik at icloud.com Wed Apr 15 02:34:36 2020 From: merik at icloud.com (Merik Voswinkel) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 02:34:36 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? In-Reply-To: References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn> <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net> <2698589.cJHmoZtmTA@lenny> Message-ID: Works perfect on all the platforms we tested We?re going to invest a programming effort into it. > On 14 Apr 2020, at 22:20, Philipp G?hring wrote: > > Hi, > > Here is the bugreport for the Firefox issue for anyone who is interested: > https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758 > > Best regards, > Philipp > -----Original Message----- > From: David Lanzend?rfer > To: Devon Sean McCullough , libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com, Philipp G?hring > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? > >> Hi >> For me it only works properly under FireFox. >> When I use Chrome, the Chrome thread starts using all my CPU >> and the system freezes. >> >> aka. Jitsi+Chrome DoSes my system. >> >> -lev >> >> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:04:01 PM WEST Philipp G?hring wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Philipp G?hring >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Devon Sean McCullough >>> To: David Lanzend??rfer >>> Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com >>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600 >>> Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? >>> >>>> Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon >>>> instead of Mumble. >>>> >>>> Peace >>>> >>>> ???Devon >>>> >>>> P.S. I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages, >>>> so please connect and check to see if it works for you. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Libresilicon-developers mailing list >>>> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com >>>> >> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers From leviathan at libresilicon.com Wed Apr 15 02:41:03 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 01:41:03 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? In-Reply-To: References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn> Message-ID: <5198813.NB78Eq4IZy@lenny> Sure If you're paying the round -lev On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 1:34:36 AM WEST Merik Voswinkel wrote: > Works perfect on all the platforms we tested > We?re going to invest a programming effort into it. > > > On 14 Apr 2020, at 22:20, Philipp G?hring wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Here is the bugreport for the Firefox issue for anyone who is interested: > > https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758 > > > > Best regards, > > Philipp > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Lanzend?rfer > > To: Devon Sean McCullough , > > libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com, Philipp G?hring > > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? > > > >> Hi > >> For me it only works properly under FireFox. > >> When I use Chrome, the Chrome thread starts using all my CPU > >> and the system freezes. > >> > >> aka. Jitsi+Chrome DoSes my system. > >> > >> -lev > >> > >> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:04:01 PM WEST Philipp G?hring wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Philipp G?hring > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Devon Sean McCullough > >>> To: David Lanzend??rfer > >>> Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > >>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600 > >>> Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble? > >>> > >>>> Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon > >>>> instead of Mumble. > >>>> > >>>> Peace > >>>> > >>>> ???Devon > >>>> > >>>> P.S. I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages, > >>>> so please connect and check to see if it works for you. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Libresilicon-developers mailing list > >>>> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > >> > >> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From pg at futureware.at Wed Apr 15 10:32:59 2020 From: pg at futureware.at (Philipp =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FChring?=) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:32:59 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Liberty Comparison Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know a tool to compare 2 liberty files (.lib) ? I would like to get a report of the differences and/or similarities, and perhaps some statistics for min/max values, and visualisation of the tables. I would like to get a report from the tool. Best regards, Philipp G?hring From yrrapt at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 11:02:27 2020 From: yrrapt at gmail.com (Thomas Parry) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:02:27 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Liberty Comparison In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I'm not sure you're going to get all those features from an open source tool (if you can pay, Synopsys will happily take a few zeros from your bank account). If I had to do this I would probably use an open source STA (Static Timing Analysis) tool ie. OpenSTA, OpenTimer, for the liberty parser. Then grab that data and write some Python scripts to analyse the data. Good luck, Thomas On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 10:33, Philipp G?hring wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know a tool to compare 2 liberty files (.lib) ? > I would like to get a report of the differences and/or similarities, and > perhaps some statistics for min/max values, and visualisation of the tables. > I would like to get a report from the tool. > > Best regards, > Philipp G?hring > _______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lkcl at lkcl.net Mon Apr 20 20:50:15 2020 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:50:15 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Question to everyone with NLNet MoU In-Reply-To: <2001061.Teal8qR1o6@lenny> References: <2001061.Teal8qR1o6@lenny> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 1:41 PM David Lanzend?rfer wrote: > > Hello everyone > A quick question to everyone, who has applied for NLNet funding. mee, mee! :) > Did you do so, by associating with LibreSilicon OR Libre-SoC? staf and hagen were the two who are funded and associated (helping) Libre-SOC https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=175 indirectly Libre-SOC is resulting in funding whitequark on nmigen, lip6.fr on coriolis2, staf on chips4makers, a side-project to convert systemverilog into nmigen, created a massive general-purpose flexibly-pipelined nmigen-based IEEE754 FPU library. it's a damn big project. all of the proposals are tracked here so you can see how they were written: https://libre-soc.org/nlnet_proposals/ l. From leviathan at libresilicon.com Tue Apr 21 11:29:51 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:29:51 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Mumble meetings + Warning Message-ID: <2368258.N4E3cR0XYR@lenny> Hello Little heads up: Better try to avoid that Jitsi room where that Merik is hanging around. I checked with NLNet, and some other sources I have, and it turns out that his stories are just fantasy. I don't know... Smells like a con artist, I just don't know yet, what his scheme is, but I already had to deal with a con artist a while ago, who also wanted to leech on the financing I was trying to raise for LibreSilicon... I removed all of Meriks email addresses from this mailing list and deleted his libresilicon mail aliases I had borrowed him for a few days. Lets hope there hasn't been any damage done yet. I'd say, we either switch back to Mumble or could use the integrated Jitsi session feature in Riot. 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Two people will have to be present, so I hope Hernani and I can do that together, when he comes visiting me, after Corona Chan is done here, especially, because I could really use his help with the language. Does anyone have a problem with me incorporating the LibreSilicon foundation in Portugal? Cheers -lev -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From leviathan at libresilicon.com Tue Apr 21 17:43:31 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:43:31 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Warning: Don't hand out your MoU Message-ID: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny> Hi all Another thing. I don't know, whether Devon still is talking with Merik, but in case he comes and asks you for your MoU, don't hand out a copy! I don't know exactly what his plan is, with those MoUs, but better don't risk anything. Cheers -lev -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From LibreSilicon at jovi.net Tue Apr 21 21:19:48 2020 From: LibreSilicon at jovi.net (Devon Sean McCullough) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:19:48 -0600 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Warning: Don't hand out your MoU In-Reply-To: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny> References: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny> Message-ID: <16E624E1-762F-43A4-A009-0B4B36F3FBA2@jovi.net> I believe Merik recorded all the chats ? maybe wise to review them for anything like a verbal contract, which could be binding under U.S. law but as to E.U. I have no clue. Peace ?Devon P.S. As for unpublished documents, e.g., any MoU, I hope you noticed I always ask who can see them to before I accept them and so should you. P.P.S. David, I?m Devon7 on Skype and lurking at https://meet.jit.si/devon if you have a minute or so to call me. P.P.P.S. Oops, initially sent from wrong address. > On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:43 AM, David Lanzend?rfer wrote: > > Hi all > > Another thing. > I don't know, whether Devon still is talking with Merik, but in case he comes > and asks you for your MoU, don't hand out a copy! > I don't know exactly what his plan is, with those MoUs, but better don't > risk anything. > > Cheers > -lev_______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers From Devon2020 at jovi.net Tue Apr 21 21:17:49 2020 From: Devon2020 at jovi.net (Devon Sean McCullough) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:17:49 -0600 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Warning: Don't hand out your MoU In-Reply-To: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny> References: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny> Message-ID: <2041B14B-27B7-4EF1-95A0-59774CD9C898@jovi.net> I believe Merik recorded all the chats ? maybe wise to review them for anything like a verbal contract, which could be binding under U.S. law but as to E.U. I have no clue. Peace ?Devon P.S. As for unpublished documents, e.g., any MoU, I hope you noticed I always ask who can see them to before I accept them and so should you. P.P.S. David, I?m Devon7 on Skype and lurking at https://meet.jit.si/devon if you have a minute or so to call me. > On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:43 AM, David Lanzend?rfer wrote: > > Hi all > > Another thing. > I don't know, whether Devon still is talking with Merik, but in case he comes > and asks you for your MoU, don't hand out a copy! > I don't know exactly what his plan is, with those MoUs, but better don't > risk anything. > > Cheers > -lev_______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers From leviathan at libresilicon.com Tue Apr 21 21:26:42 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:26:42 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Warning: Don't hand out your MoU In-Reply-To: <2041B14B-27B7-4EF1-95A0-59774CD9C898@jovi.net> References: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny> <2041B14B-27B7-4EF1-95A0-59774CD9C898@jovi.net> Message-ID: <11950633.nBRnbQtsdP@lenny> Hi If he would try to enforce anything in front of a judge, the recordings clearly show that those agreements have been done under false pretenses. He's just a grifter, I don't think that he really wants to draw the attention from authorities, because then they'd become aware of what he's doing. Just terminate any communication with that guy, then we should be fine. -lev On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:17:49 PM WEST Devon Sean McCullough wrote: > I believe Merik recorded all the chats ? maybe wise to review them for > anything like a verbal contract, which could be binding under U.S. law but > as to E.U. I have no clue. > > Peace > ?Devon > > P.S. As for unpublished documents, e.g., any MoU, I hope you noticed I > always ask who can see them to before I accept them and so should you. > > P.P.S. 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I'll defer my decision how active I want to participate in this keybase team until I have a better idea what the heck is happening. > Regards, > Ferenc Confused, tatzelbrumm > _______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers From hsank at posteo.de Wed Apr 22 11:02:48 2020 From: hsank at posteo.de (Hagen SANKOWSKI) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:02:48 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c07b7c7-7ec5-6b2d-0a3e-7622852276fb@posteo.de> On 4/22/20 1:02 AM, Christoph Maier wrote: > That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik > Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik. > At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to > cancel your team invitation. What the heck is going on here once again? "Divide et impera" ??? I do not like Meriks kind to hurry up all stuff. Under false pressure the decisions are always went wrong. Please let us look at our target - bringing LibreSilicon up and running in a way we do not have to be embarrassed about.. Hagen. From hsank at posteo.de Wed Apr 22 14:17:30 2020 From: hsank at posteo.de (Hagen SANKOWSKI) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:17:30 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] LibreSilicon foundation In-Reply-To: <4205147.b2lme4T7K8@lenny> References: <4205147.b2lme4T7K8@lenny> Message-ID: <0dbf7dba-2796-8433-5a09-dd93bb2ba33e@posteo.de> Hello. On 4/21/20 3:01 PM, David Lanzend?rfer wrote: > Hi everyone > > So, since there is still NO LibreSilicon foundation, I've decided, that I'll > probably just incorporate it myself, where I am right now, in Portugal. > > For 375? I can register the LibreSilicon foundation within two weeks, by going > to this office here: https://www.irn.mj.pt/sections/irn > > I'll pay this fee from my own wallet. > > Two people will have to be present, so I hope Hernani and I can do that > together, when he comes visiting me, after Corona Chan is done here, > especially, because I could really use his help with the language. > > Does anyone have a problem with me incorporating the LibreSilicon foundation > in Portugal? No problem. I just like to assure, we setup the foundation without hurry, with the right foundation documents, well and healthy. IMHO we need a original version (in English?) and a translated version (in Portuguese?) side-by-side. Can we discuss the documents properly? Regards, Hagen. From leviathan at libresilicon.com Wed Apr 22 17:24:23 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase In-Reply-To: <2c07b7c7-7ec5-6b2d-0a3e-7622852276fb@posteo.de> References: <2c07b7c7-7ec5-6b2d-0a3e-7622852276fb@posteo.de> Message-ID: <3506398.FfFo0mKWTI@lenny> Hello It *is* a scam. Keybase.io is NOT infrastructure of Merik. As a matter of fact, I haven't seen any infrastructure actually ran by Merik, but in fact only publicly available services like jit.si and keybase.io Lawson seems to be Merik' accomplice. He di put up a show on jit.si where he acted, as if he'd be "tuning" the system, which is so hilarious, that not even he was able to keep a straight face the whole time. Merik now tries to convince me, that he could bring a fiber line online in my flat, of which I know doesn't exist, because I've checked with the local fiber providers and this area here doesn't have coverage yet. Nevertheless Merik tries to get me to pay him 38 Euros upfront, claiming "his partner company" would be ready to bring it online today. This person is a conman, grifter and scammer, so is Lawson. I've banned both of them from the mailing list and blocked Merik on Skype and I would suggest you folks to do the same. They seem to be after some of the money from the NLNet grants. I already told Michiel to warn the other beneficiaries of the NLNet grant to avoid interacting with Meric Voswinkel and Lawson English. -lev On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:02:48 AM WEST Hagen SANKOWSKI wrote: > On 4/22/20 1:02 AM, Christoph Maier wrote: > > That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik > > Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik. > > At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to > > cancel your team invitation. > > What the heck is going on here once again? > > "Divide et impera" ??? > > I do not like Meriks kind to hurry up all stuff. Under false pressure > the decisions are always went wrong. > > Please let us look at our target - bringing LibreSilicon up and running > in a way we do not have to be embarrassed about.. > > Hagen. > _______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From leviathan at libresilicon.com Wed Apr 22 17:30:28 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:30:28 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3885829.kboPy7luQ0@lenny> Hello The only interaction we should have with Meriks "LibreSilicon" channels on keybase.io and jit.si is to report it as abuse to the responsible admins, because he's abusing our project name for his scamming scheme. I'll probably do that right away with keybase. -lev On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:02:05 AM WEST Christoph Maier wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:46 AM ?ger Ferenc wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my mail > > since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that "Lawson > > English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got similar > > mail, or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam? > That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik > Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik. > At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to > cancel your team invitation. > > > BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please wrap up > > shortly what the heck happened? > I'll defer my decision how active I want to participate in this > keybase team until I have a better idea what the heck is happening. > > > Regards, > > Ferenc > > Confused, > tatzelbrumm > > > _______________________________________________ > > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers > > _______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From leviathan at libresilicon.com Wed Apr 22 17:35:59 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:35:59 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1830433.unqCKWsKiE@lenny> Hi Ferenc Lawson and Merik are two scammers, who work together. Do not join this team, or better, report Lawson and Merik to keybase.io for abusing our project name. As I've seen, they also have a reporting function. -lev On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 11:45:34 PM WEST ?ger Ferenc wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my mail > since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that "Lawson > English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got similar mail, > or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam? > > BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please wrap up > shortly what the heck happened? > > Regards, > Ferenc -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ludwig.jaffe at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 08:17:55 2020 From: ludwig.jaffe at gmail.com (Ludwig Jaffe) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:17:55 +0200 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase In-Reply-To: <3885829.kboPy7luQ0@lenny> References: <3885829.kboPy7luQ0@lenny> Message-ID: <4E99DFFB-8383-48EE-BE53-E8A021DC6B68@gmail.com> Do thevscamers receive email and read it? If so you might send them links to malware infested sites. Having qubes-os I dont care for malware, as if it gets exploited, it is only a vm based on a template. So this would be a way to deal with the problem, just refer them to their friends. Cheers Ludwig. BTW how is youe corona panic level? On April 22, 2020 5:30:28 PM GMT+02:00, "David Lanzend?rfer" wrote: >Hello >The only interaction we should have with Meriks "LibreSilicon" channels >on keybase.io and jit.si is to report it as abuse to the responsible >admins, >because he's abusing our project name for his scamming scheme. >I'll probably do that right away with keybase. > >-lev > >On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:02:05 AM WEST Christoph Maier wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:46 AM ?ger Ferenc >wrote: >> > Hello Everyone, >> > >> > I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my >mail >> > since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that >"Lawson >> > English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got >similar >> > mail, or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam? >> That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik >> Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik. >> At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to >> cancel your team invitation. >> >> > BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please >wrap up >> > shortly what the heck happened? >> I'll defer my decision how active I want to participate in this >> keybase team until I have a better idea what the heck is happening. >> >> > Regards, >> > Ferenc >> >> Confused, >> tatzelbrumm >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Libresilicon-developers mailing list >> > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com >> > >https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Libresilicon-developers mailing list >> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com >> >https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers -- Sent from my agency monitored mobile device without encryption. Charlie is listening! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leviathan at libresilicon.com Thu Apr 23 11:32:02 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:32:02 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase In-Reply-To: <4E99DFFB-8383-48EE-BE53-E8A021DC6B68@gmail.com> References: <3885829.kboPy7luQ0@lenny> <4E99DFFB-8383-48EE-BE53-E8A021DC6B68@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5858563.Yh9ZWTTjs0@lenny> Hi Ludwig It's more serious than that, LibreSilicon is right now under a social engineering attack in the Kevin Mitnick style, and I'm afraid that some folks might not be enough resilient against such psychological manipulation. It's not about malware, it's strategic. There's a guy who wants to tap into the NLNet funds, some of our team members have received. For this purpose, he's trying to deface our project and lure our team members into groups, like the "libresilicon" group on keybase, which he has created and holds the administration rights, which is totally NOT OK, because he's not an active member of the team, nor did we ever give him the job to create such a group with this name. I also found out, that he's trying to convince people, that "I wouldn't be suitable for the leading role at LibreSilicon", which shows me that he's scared of me, because I'm a sociopath which means that conning doesn't work with me, and also, that he doesn't understand how our project is working. Anyway. After he tried to sell me that he could bring online a fiber line, which doesn't exist (which was a trap I had set for him), and asked for 38 Euros upfront, I blocked him on Skype and banned him from the mailing list, as well as his buddy Lawson English. BTW: Also avoid a guy with the name Lawson English. Cheers -lev On Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:17:55 AM WEST Ludwig Jaffe wrote: > Do thevscamers receive email and read it? > If so you might send them links to malware infested sites. > Having qubes-os I dont care for malware, as if it gets exploited, it is only > a vm based on a template. > > So this would be a way to deal with the problem, just refer them to their > friends. > > Cheers > > Ludwig. > > BTW how is youe corona panic level? > > On April 22, 2020 5:30:28 PM GMT+02:00, "David Lanzend?rfer" wrote: > >Hello > >The only interaction we should have with Meriks "LibreSilicon" channels > >on keybase.io and jit.si is to report it as abuse to the responsible > >admins, > >because he's abusing our project name for his scamming scheme. > >I'll probably do that right away with keybase. > > > >-lev > > > >On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:02:05 AM WEST Christoph Maier wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:46 AM ?ger Ferenc > > > >wrote: > >> > Hello Everyone, > >> > > >> > I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my > > > >mail > > > >> > since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that > > > >"Lawson > > > >> > English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got > > > >similar > > > >> > mail, or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam? > >> > >> That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik > >> Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik. > >> At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to > >> cancel your team invitation. > >> > >> > BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please > > > >wrap up > > > >> > shortly what the heck happened? > >> > >> I'll defer my decision how active I want to participate in this > >> keybase team until I have a better idea what the heck is happening. > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > Ferenc > >> > >> Confused, > >> tatzelbrumm > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > >> > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > > > >https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Libresilicon-developers mailing list > >> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > > > >https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From leviathan at libresilicon.com Thu Apr 23 19:12:17 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:12:17 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase In-Reply-To: References: <5858563.Yh9ZWTTjs0@lenny> Message-ID: <4818234.lH1RY8vjIh@lenny> Hi Luke The foundation doesn't exist. Otherwise it would be possible to find it online, when looking for foundations in the Netherlands. I have to incorporate the foundation first here in Portugal (will cost me 375 Euros) which is only possible, when the offices open up again. There needs to be at least two people signing the foundation contract... I think, I'll ask Hernani, when he comes visiting me. I already told Michiel to warn all the beneficiaries from the NLNet grant, that Merik would be targeting everyone, who receives money from NLNet. I suggest to ignore any attempts by Merik to contact you, and you should everyone you know, who got a NLNet grant to avoid Merik and Lawson. Cheers -lev > wrote: > > Hi Ludwig > > > > It's more serious than that, LibreSilicon is right now under a social > > engineering attack in the Kevin Mitnick style, > > he's just tried to offer me a seat on the board of directors of the > LibreSilicon Foundation. > > l. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From lkcl at lkcl.net Thu Apr 23 19:17:49 2020 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:17:49 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase In-Reply-To: <4818234.lH1RY8vjIh@lenny> References: <5858563.Yh9ZWTTjs0@lenny> <4818234.lH1RY8vjIh@lenny> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM David Lanzend?rfer wrote: > I already told Michiel to warn all the beneficiaries from the NLNet grant, > that Merik would be targeting everyone, who receives money from NLNet. > I suggest to ignore any attempts by Merik to contact you, and you should > everyone you know, who got a NLNet grant to avoid Merik and Lawson. http://lists.libre-riscv.org/pipermail/libre-riscv-dev/2020-April/006120.html l. From leviathan at libresilicon.com Thu Apr 23 19:23:49 2020 From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:23:49 +0100 Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase In-Reply-To: References: <4818234.lH1RY8vjIh@lenny> Message-ID: <21476573.Be3KLnr2Z2@lenny> Hi Luke Very well done! Cheers -lev On Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:17:49 PM WEST Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM David Lanzend?rfer > > wrote: > > I already told Michiel to warn all the beneficiaries from the NLNet grant, > > that Merik would be targeting everyone, who receives money from NLNet. > > I suggest to ignore any attempts by Merik to contact you, and you should > > everyone you know, who got a NLNet grant to avoid Merik and Lawson. > > http://lists.libre-riscv.org/pipermail/libre-riscv-dev/2020-April/006120.htm > l > > l. > _______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: