From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Fri Apr 10 20:35:55 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 19:35:55 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
Message-ID: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>

Hi everyone
So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature
sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so.
We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks
and then doing overlapping exposure steps.
Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue.
I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the 
toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple.
Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple 
exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between.

while(!eow()) { // end of wafer
expose_mask(1);
expose_mask(2);
step_to_next();
}

cheers
-lev
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From christoph.maier at ieee.org  Fri Apr 10 21:07:11 2020
From: christoph.maier at ieee.org (Christoph Maier)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 21:07:11 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
Message-ID: <CAMrFsiVxZUwyrXcUSUgQwMs9U1njM5LkVUFYOmiWvz9XrijtXw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:37 PM David Lanzend?rfer
<leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
> So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature
> sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so.
> We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks
> and then doing overlapping exposure steps.
> Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue.
> I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the
> toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple.
> Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple
> exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between.
>
> while(!eow()) { // end of wafer
> expose_mask(1);
> expose_mask(2);
> step_to_next();
> }

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-_D-cVIsLk

> cheers
> -lev_______________________________________________
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> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

From staf at fibraservi.eu  Fri Apr 10 21:51:27 2020
From: staf at fibraservi.eu (Staf Verhaegen)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 21:51:27 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
Message-ID: <c66d6ab69f8dd72898d392c65cd81e9f60ad5186.camel@fibraservi.eu>

David Lanzend?rfer schreef op vr 10-04-2020 om 19:35 [+0100]:
> Hi everyone
> So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature
> sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so.
> We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks
> and then doing overlapping exposure steps.
> Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue.
> I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the 
> toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple.
> Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple 
> exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between.
> 
> while(!eow()) { // end of wafer
> expose_mask(1);
> expose_mask(2);
> step_to_next();
> }

This is not going to work. What you basically will be doing is adding
two sinusoidal intensity profiles with half the period shifted on top
of each other giving almost not modulation of the intensity anymore.
There is not reason why this would only be possible with DMD and not
with two physical masks.

greets,
Staf.


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From pavel at noa-labs.com  Sat Apr 11 02:29:54 2020
From: pavel at noa-labs.com (Pavel Nikulin)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 06:29:54 +0600
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <c66d6ab69f8dd72898d392c65cd81e9f60ad5186.camel@fibraservi.eu>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
 <c66d6ab69f8dd72898d392c65cd81e9f60ad5186.camel@fibraservi.eu>
Message-ID: <CAG-pW8HXwgbyVghd-pBJs4f0Z7XjURTZ+Hak1B4vmh1HNUsi4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Did anybody have time to check on Jade Bird Display? It appears to me that
the company is still functioning after all, despite their EE and testing
people leaving. The real man behind the enterprise, Qiming Li, is quite a
well known guy with LED and materials people.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:51 AM Staf Verhaegen <staf at fibraservi.eu> wrote:

> David Lanzend?rfer schreef op vr 10-04-2020 om 19:35 [+0100]:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature
>
> sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so.
>
> We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks
>
> and then doing overlapping exposure steps.
>
> Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue.
>
> I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the
>
> toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple.
>
> Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple
>
> exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between.
>
>
> while(!eow()) { // end of wafer
>
> expose_mask(1);
>
> expose_mask(2);
>
> step_to_next();
>
> }
>
>
> This is not going to work. What you basically will be doing is adding two
> sinusoidal intensity profiles with half the period shifted on top of each
> other giving almost not modulation of the intensity anymore.
> There is not reason why this would only be possible with DMD and not with
> two physical masks.
>
> greets,
> Staf.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
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From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Sat Apr 11 12:10:33 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:10:33 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <c66d6ab69f8dd72898d392c65cd81e9f60ad5186.camel@fibraservi.eu>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
 <c66d6ab69f8dd72898d392c65cd81e9f60ad5186.camel@fibraservi.eu>
Message-ID: <1929820.EO7WfrvM3K@lenny>

Hi Staf
Of course it would also work with physical mask.
The goal here is to eliminate the additional step of physical mask making.
Removing the need to physically manufacture masks and then physically
switching masks within the stepper aligner would save time and money.
This said. The discussion right now is about on how to make the most
of this new way of exposing.
Of course, you can do virtually everything with a DMD chip, you could also
do, if you had physical masks in there.
The only advantage is a simplification of the manufacturing process
and a cost reducting, due to the elimination of the mask making step.

Cheers
-lev

On Friday, April 10, 2020 8:51:27 PM WEST Staf Verhaegen wrote:
> This is not going to work. What you basically will be doing is adding two
> sinusoidal intensity profiles with half the period shifted on top of each
> other giving almost not modulation of the intensity anymore. There is not
> reason why this would only be possible with DMD and not with two physical
> masks.

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From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Sat Apr 11 12:13:09 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:13:09 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <CAG-pW8HXwgbyVghd-pBJs4f0Z7XjURTZ+Hak1B4vmh1HNUsi4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
 <c66d6ab69f8dd72898d392c65cd81e9f60ad5186.camel@fibraservi.eu>
 <CAG-pW8HXwgbyVghd-pBJs4f0Z7XjURTZ+Hak1B4vmh1HNUsi4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4684724.ouWcl5u1nE@lenny>

Hi Pavel
I haven't yet had time to look into this company.
Also, my new boss *sobbing again*, pointed out that we might have slightly
different intensities with each micro LED, which might lead to uneven 
exposure.
That's why I'm eyeing at DMD chips again.

Cheers
-lev

On Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:29:54 AM WEST Pavel Nikulin wrote:
> Did anybody have time to check on Jade Bird Display? It appears to me that
> the company is still functioning after all, despite their EE and testing
> people leaving. The real man behind the enterprise, Qiming Li, is quite a
> well known guy with LED and materials people.

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From staf at fibraservi.eu  Sat Apr 11 13:29:08 2020
From: staf at fibraservi.eu (Staf Verhaegen)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:29:08 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <1929820.EO7WfrvM3K@lenny>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
 <c66d6ab69f8dd72898d392c65cd81e9f60ad5186.camel@fibraservi.eu>
 <1929820.EO7WfrvM3K@lenny>
Message-ID: <aa5b0cd7cf95949dfb7d5347686a3521882b3a5d.camel@fibraservi.eu>

David Lanzend?rfer schreef op za 11-04-2020 om 11:10 [+0100]:
> Hi Staf
> Of course it would also work with physical mask.

What I do want to say is that it will neither work for DMD as for
physical masks. You can't increase resolution by doing two prints in a
resist over the resolution you can get with a single print in that same
resist.
There have been tries to make the resist non-linear by doing a bake
step in between the two exposures but this causes asymmetry in
sensitivity to the image between the two exposures and has not made it
in production AFAIK. AFAIK, only techniques where the first print is
developed in resist and then transferred through etch in a mask layer
and then doing a second exposure in a fresh resist layer has made it in
production.

greets,
Staf.

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From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Sat Apr 11 16:57:50 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:57:50 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <aa5b0cd7cf95949dfb7d5347686a3521882b3a5d.camel@fibraservi.eu>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> <1929820.EO7WfrvM3K@lenny>
 <aa5b0cd7cf95949dfb7d5347686a3521882b3a5d.camel@fibraservi.eu>
Message-ID: <25209274.eqJgNNQ2UF@lenny>

Hi Staf
Now I'm getting what you're trying to tell me!
Good point!

However. Double patterning is possible in this way:
https://www.techdesignforums.com/practice/guides/double-patterning/

This already gives us the possibility to squeeze a bit more resolution out
of the stepper. Right?

Cheers
-lev

On Saturday, April 11, 2020 12:29:08 PM WEST Staf Verhaegen wrote:
> What I do want to say is that it will neither work for DMD as for physical
> masks. You can't increase resolution by doing two prints in a resist over
> the resolution you can get with a single print in that same resist. There
> have been tries to make the resist non-linear by doing a bake step in
> between the two exposures but this causes asymmetry in sensitivity to the
> image between the two exposures and has not made it in production AFAIK.
> AFAIK, only techniques where the first print is developed in resist and
> then transferred through etch in a mask layer and then doing a second
> exposure in a fresh resist layer has made it in production.

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From staf at fibraservi.eu  Sat Apr 11 21:09:56 2020
From: staf at fibraservi.eu (Staf Verhaegen)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:09:56 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <25209274.eqJgNNQ2UF@lenny>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny> <1929820.EO7WfrvM3K@lenny>
 <aa5b0cd7cf95949dfb7d5347686a3521882b3a5d.camel@fibraservi.eu>
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David Lanzend?rfer schreef op za 11-04-2020 om 15:57 [+0100]:
> Hi StafNow I'm getting what you're trying to tell me!Good point!
> However. Double patterning is possible in this way:https://www.techdesignforums.com/practice/guides/double-patterning/
> 
> This already gives us the possibility to squeeze a bit more resolution outof the stepper. Right?

The LELE is the generic technique for doing double patterning and what I was also hinting at but as name says it involves 2 litho and 2 etch steps.
The SADP looks nice when looking at cross sections but has big restrictions on what one can print. It basically can only print lines of one fixed size and they are formed around the border of the first pattern. This means that you likely need a third litho + etch step to remove the lines in places where one does not want them and possibly a fourth litho + etch step if one wants to also have lines with a bigger width. This technique is mainly used for NAND Flash where you have these long parallel lines, AFAIK it is not used for random logic.

greets,
Staf.

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From pavel at noa-labs.com  Sun Apr 12 23:08:05 2020
From: pavel at noa-labs.com (Pavel Nikulin)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 03:08:05 +0600
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <4684724.ouWcl5u1nE@lenny>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
 <c66d6ab69f8dd72898d392c65cd81e9f60ad5186.camel@fibraservi.eu>
 <CAG-pW8HXwgbyVghd-pBJs4f0Z7XjURTZ+Hak1B4vmh1HNUsi4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <4684724.ouWcl5u1nE@lenny>
Message-ID: <CAG-pW8EQWDMeu_z=vnNSDVfAu8Dh3DrqY0cKQwjKroTqaH3HCA@mail.gmail.com>

In defence of that, wouldn't be that even easier to correct with an LED
matrix than with anything else? Those matrices are not 1 bit, each pixel
has a CMOS driver on the backside.

And the man behind the company should be quite knowledgeable in materials,
and the process side himself.

Lastly, the resolution should favour the LED matrix. There is a hard limit
on DMD density, not so much on LEDs.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 4:13 PM David Lanzend?rfer <
leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:

> Hi Pavel
> I haven't yet had time to look into this company.
> Also, my new boss *sobbing again*, pointed out that we might have slightly
> different intensities with each micro LED, which might lead to uneven
> exposure.
> That's why I'm eyeing at DMD chips again.
>
> Cheers
> -lev
>
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:29:54 AM WEST Pavel Nikulin wrote:
> > Did anybody have time to check on Jade Bird Display? It appears to me
> that
> > the company is still functioning after all, despite their EE and testing
> > people leaving. The real man behind the enterprise, Qiming Li, is quite a
> > well known guy with LED and materials people.
>
>
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From ludwig.jaffe at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 23:38:31 2020
From: ludwig.jaffe at gmail.com (ludwig jaffe)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Maskless lithography
In-Reply-To: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
References: <2369407.BRUV8xUPDk@lenny>
Message-ID: <CAP7JdrJtfmRgEb-zO6eTybx01vi_Q=D7eRVb4mur7GLG4b6TOQ@mail.gmail.com>

But you need reproduceable movements.
Try to move from right to left and from left back to right and find the offset.

What holds true for a turning machine also holds true for a chip scale machine.
The problem are similar but shrunk together with the requirements in dimension.
So turning at 0.05mm is enough for most applications, and the chip needs to be
0.05um precise. :-)

On 4/10/20, David Lanzend?rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone
> So last Sunday, Ferenc and I brainstormed on how to achieve smaller feature
> sizes with a UV wave length, which limits us to 400nm or so.
> We discussed splitting a lower feature size layout into multiple masks
> and then doing overlapping exposure steps.
> Ferenc pointed out, that we might run into an offset issue.
> I've been thinking about this for a while and the solution came to me on the
>
> toilet just now, and it's actually surprisingly simple.
> Since we're using a DMD and not physical masks, we can do the multiple
> exposure steps all at once, without any stepping in between.
>
> while(!eow()) { // end of wafer
> expose_mask(1);
> expose_mask(2);
> step_to_next();
> }
>
> cheers
> -lev

From LibreSilicon at jovi.net  Tue Apr 14 22:00:09 2020
From: LibreSilicon at jovi.net (Devon Sean McCullough)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
In-Reply-To: <2294526.uaLiDUUDmq@lenny>
References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn>
 <2294526.uaLiDUUDmq@lenny>
Message-ID: <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net>

Next time, let?s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon
instead of Mumble.

		Peace
			?Devon

P.S.  I?ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages,
so please connect and check to see if it works for you.

From pg at futureware.at  Tue Apr 14 22:04:01 2020
From: pg at futureware.at (Philipp =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FChring?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:04:01 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
In-Reply-To: <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net>
References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn>
 <2294526.uaLiDUUDmq@lenny> <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F202004142204.AA04010177@futureware.at>

Hi,

Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash.

Best regards,
Philipp G?hring

-----Original Message-----
From: Devon Sean McCullough <LibreSilicon at jovi.net>
To: David Lanzend??rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com>
Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?

> Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon
> instead of Mumble.
> 
> 		Peace
> 			???Devon
> 
> P.S.  I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages,
> so please connect and check to see if it works for you.
> _______________________________________________
> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Tue Apr 14 22:10:05 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F202004142204.AA04010177@futureware.at>
References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn>
 <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net>
 <WorldClient-F202004142204.AA04010177@futureware.at>
Message-ID: <2698589.cJHmoZtmTA@lenny>

Hi
For me it only works properly under FireFox.
When I use Chrome, the Chrome thread starts using all my CPU
and the system freezes.

aka. Jitsi+Chrome DoSes my system.

-lev

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:04:01 PM WEST Philipp G?hring wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash.
> 
> Best regards,
> Philipp G?hring
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Devon Sean McCullough <LibreSilicon at jovi.net>
> To: David Lanzend??rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com>
> Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600
> Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
> 
> > Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon
> > instead of Mumble.
> > 
> > 		Peace
> > 		
> > 			???Devon
> > 
> > P.S.  I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages,
> > so please connect and check to see if it works for you.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

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From pg at futureware.at  Tue Apr 14 22:20:40 2020
From: pg at futureware.at (Philipp =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FChring?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:20:40 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
In-Reply-To: <2698589.cJHmoZtmTA@lenny>
References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn>
 <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net>
 <WorldClient-F202004142204.AA04010177@futureware.at>
 <2698589.cJHmoZtmTA@lenny>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F202004142220.AA20400178@futureware.at>

Hi,

Here is the bugreport for the Firefox issue for anyone who is interested:
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758

Best regards,
Philipp
-----Original Message-----
From: David Lanzend?rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com>
To: Devon Sean McCullough <LibreSilicon at jovi.net>, libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com, Philipp G?hring <pg at futureware.at>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0100
Subject: Re: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?

> Hi
> For me it only works properly under FireFox.
> When I use Chrome, the Chrome thread starts using all my CPU
> and the system freezes.
> 
> aka. Jitsi+Chrome DoSes my system.
> 
> -lev
> 
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:04:01 PM WEST Philipp G?hring wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Philipp G?hring
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Devon Sean McCullough <LibreSilicon at jovi.net>
> > To: David Lanzend??rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com>
> > Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600
> > Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
> > 
> > > Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon
> > > instead of Mumble.
> > > 
> > > 		Peace
> > > 		
> > > 			???Devon
> > > 
> > > P.S.  I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages,
> > > so please connect and check to see if it works for you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> > > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> > >
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
> 
> 

From merik at icloud.com  Wed Apr 15 02:34:36 2020
From: merik at icloud.com (Merik Voswinkel)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 02:34:36 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F202004142220.AA20400178@futureware.at>
References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn>
 <2358B111-6D49-446C-B2CA-9BC7AEF02776@jovi.net>
 <WorldClient-F202004142204.AA04010177@futureware.at>
 <2698589.cJHmoZtmTA@lenny>
 <WorldClient-F202004142220.AA20400178@futureware.at>
Message-ID: <A0FB4A32-EC09-476E-91D2-CCFED6EE1BF5@icloud.com>

Works perfect on all the platforms we tested
We?re going to invest a programming effort into it.

> On 14 Apr 2020, at 22:20, Philipp G?hring <pg at futureware.at> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Here is the bugreport for the Firefox issue for anyone who is interested:
> https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758
> 
> Best regards,
> Philipp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Lanzend?rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com>
> To: Devon Sean McCullough <LibreSilicon at jovi.net>, libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com, Philipp G?hring <pg at futureware.at>
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
> 
>> Hi
>> For me it only works properly under FireFox.
>> When I use Chrome, the Chrome thread starts using all my CPU
>> and the system freezes.
>> 
>> aka. Jitsi+Chrome DoSes my system.
>> 
>> -lev
>> 
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:04:01 PM WEST Philipp G?hring wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Philipp G?hring
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Devon Sean McCullough <LibreSilicon at jovi.net>
>>> To: David Lanzend??rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com>
>>> Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600
>>> Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
>>> 
>>>> Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon
>>>> instead of Mumble.
>>>> 
>>>> 		Peace
>>>> 		
>>>> 			???Devon
>>>> 
>>>> P.S.  I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages,
>>>> so please connect and check to see if it works for you.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
>>>> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
>>>> 
>> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Wed Apr 15 02:41:03 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 01:41:03 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
In-Reply-To: <A0FB4A32-EC09-476E-91D2-CCFED6EE1BF5@icloud.com>
References: <20200322111823.360A033E637@mail.lanceville.cn>
 <WorldClient-F202004142220.AA20400178@futureware.at>
 <A0FB4A32-EC09-476E-91D2-CCFED6EE1BF5@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <5198813.NB78Eq4IZy@lenny>

Sure
If you're paying the round

-lev

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 1:34:36 AM WEST Merik Voswinkel wrote:
> Works perfect on all the platforms we tested
> We?re going to invest a programming effort into it.
> 
> > On 14 Apr 2020, at 22:20, Philipp G?hring <pg at futureware.at> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Here is the bugreport for the Firefox issue for anyone who is interested:
> > https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Philipp
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Lanzend?rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com>
> > To: Devon Sean McCullough <LibreSilicon at jovi.net>,
> > libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com, Philipp G?hring
> > <pg at futureware.at> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
> > 
> >> Hi
> >> For me it only works properly under FireFox.
> >> When I use Chrome, the Chrome thread starts using all my CPU
> >> and the system freezes.
> >> 
> >> aka. Jitsi+Chrome DoSes my system.
> >> 
> >> -lev
> >> 
> >> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:04:01 PM WEST Philipp G?hring wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> Only connect with Chrome, Firefox can cause even the others to crash.
> >>> 
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Philipp G?hring
> >>> 
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Devon Sean McCullough <LibreSilicon at jovi.net>
> >>> To: David Lanzend??rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com>
> >>> Cc: libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> >>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:00:09 -0600
> >>> Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Jitsi trumps Mumble?
> >>> 
> >>>> Next time, let???s meet at https://meet.jit.si/LibreSilicon
> >>>> instead of Mumble.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 		Peace
> >>>> 		
> >>>> 			???Devon
> >>>> 
> >>>> P.S.  I???ll be lurking there all week, modulo network outages,
> >>>> so please connect and check to see if it works for you.
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> >>>> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> >> 
> >> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

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From pg at futureware.at  Wed Apr 15 10:32:59 2020
From: pg at futureware.at (Philipp =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FChring?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:32:59 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Liberty Comparison
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F202004151032.AA32590179@futureware.at>

Hi,

Does anyone know a tool to compare 2 liberty files (.lib) ? 
I would like to get a report of the differences and/or similarities, and perhaps some statistics for min/max values, and visualisation of the tables.
I would like to get a report from the tool.

Best regards,
Philipp G?hring

From yrrapt at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 11:02:27 2020
From: yrrapt at gmail.com (Thomas Parry)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:02:27 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Liberty Comparison
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F202004151032.AA32590179@futureware.at>
References: <WorldClient-F202004151032.AA32590179@futureware.at>
Message-ID: <CAK-rcmV5BR-4SR-OwPBGF_OFH8_-Yism-Dw1YaLes4CEG-g7Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm not sure you're going to get all those features from an open source
tool (if you can pay, Synopsys will happily take a few zeros from your bank
account).

If I had to do this I would probably use an open source STA (Static Timing
Analysis) tool ie. OpenSTA, OpenTimer, for the liberty parser. Then grab
that data and write some Python scripts to analyse the data.

Good luck,
Thomas

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 10:33, Philipp G?hring <pg at futureware.at> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know a tool to compare 2 liberty files (.lib) ?
> I would like to get a report of the differences and/or similarities, and
> perhaps some statistics for min/max values, and visualisation of the tables.
> I would like to get a report from the tool.
>
> Best regards,
> Philipp G?hring
> _______________________________________________
> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
>
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From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Mon Apr 20 14:41:24 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:41:24 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Question to everyone with NLNet MoU
Message-ID: <2001061.Teal8qR1o6@lenny>

Hello everyone
A quick question to everyone, who has applied for NLNet funding.
Did you do so, by associating with LibreSilicon OR Libre-SoC?

This question is just to verify.

Cheers
-lev
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From lkcl at lkcl.net  Mon Apr 20 20:50:15 2020
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:50:15 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Question to everyone with NLNet MoU
In-Reply-To: <2001061.Teal8qR1o6@lenny>
References: <2001061.Teal8qR1o6@lenny>
Message-ID: <CAPweEDxpvUw4Sgcs3u4+uNsjez7PrfMQ0ed5dSwr7Zd5ouWROg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 1:41 PM David Lanzend?rfer
<leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone
> A quick question to everyone, who has applied for NLNet funding.

mee, mee! :)

> Did you do so, by associating with LibreSilicon OR Libre-SoC?

staf and hagen were the two who are funded and associated (helping) Libre-SOC
https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=175

indirectly Libre-SOC is resulting in funding whitequark on nmigen,
lip6.fr on coriolis2, staf on chips4makers, a side-project to convert
systemverilog into nmigen, created a massive general-purpose
flexibly-pipelined nmigen-based IEEE754 FPU library.  it's a damn big
project.

all of the proposals are tracked here so you can see how they were written:
https://libre-soc.org/nlnet_proposals/

l.

From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Tue Apr 21 11:29:51 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:29:51 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Mumble meetings + Warning
Message-ID: <2368258.N4E3cR0XYR@lenny>

Hello
Little heads up: Better try to avoid that Jitsi room where that Merik
is hanging around.

I checked with NLNet, and some other sources I have, and it turns
out that his stories are just fantasy.

I don't know... Smells like a con artist, I just don't know yet, what
his scheme is, but I already had to deal with a con artist a while ago,
who also wanted to leech on the financing I was trying to raise for
LibreSilicon...

I removed all of Meriks email addresses from this mailing list and deleted
his libresilicon mail aliases I had borrowed him for a few days.
Lets hope there hasn't been any damage done yet.

I'd say, we either switch back to Mumble or could use the integrated
Jitsi session feature in Riot.

What do you think?

Cheers
-lev
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From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Tue Apr 21 15:01:32 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:01:32 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] LibreSilicon foundation
Message-ID: <4205147.b2lme4T7K8@lenny>

Hi everyone

So, since there is still NO LibreSilicon foundation, I've decided, that I'll 
probably just incorporate it myself, where I am right now, in Portugal.

For 375? I can register the LibreSilicon foundation within two weeks, by going
to this office here: https://www.irn.mj.pt/sections/irn

I'll pay this fee from my own wallet.

Two people will have to be present, so I hope Hernani and I can do that
together, when he comes visiting me, after Corona Chan is done here,
especially, because I could really use his help with the language.

Does anyone have a problem with me incorporating the LibreSilicon foundation
in Portugal?

Cheers
-lev
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From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Tue Apr 21 17:43:31 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:43:31 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Warning: Don't hand out your MoU
Message-ID: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny>

Hi all

Another thing.
I don't know, whether Devon still is talking with Merik, but in case he comes
and asks you for your MoU, don't hand out a copy!
I don't know exactly what his plan is, with those MoUs, but better don't
risk anything.

Cheers
-lev
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From LibreSilicon at jovi.net  Tue Apr 21 21:19:48 2020
From: LibreSilicon at jovi.net (Devon Sean McCullough)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:19:48 -0600
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Warning: Don't hand out your MoU
In-Reply-To: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny>
References: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny>
Message-ID: <16E624E1-762F-43A4-A009-0B4B36F3FBA2@jovi.net>

I believe Merik recorded all the chats ? maybe wise to review them for anything like a verbal contract, which could be binding under U.S. law but as to E.U. I have no clue.

		Peace
			?Devon

P.S.  As for unpublished documents, e.g., any MoU, I hope you noticed I always ask who can see them to before I accept them and so should you.

P.P.S.  David, I?m Devon7 on Skype and lurking at https://meet.jit.si/devon if you have a minute or so to call me.

P.P.P.S.  Oops, initially sent from wrong address.

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:43 AM, David Lanzend?rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Another thing.
> I don't know, whether Devon still is talking with Merik, but in case he comes
> and asks you for your MoU, don't hand out a copy!
> I don't know exactly what his plan is, with those MoUs, but better don't
> risk anything.
> 
> Cheers
> -lev_______________________________________________
> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

From Devon2020 at jovi.net  Tue Apr 21 21:17:49 2020
From: Devon2020 at jovi.net (Devon Sean McCullough)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:17:49 -0600
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Warning: Don't hand out your MoU
In-Reply-To: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny>
References: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny>
Message-ID: <2041B14B-27B7-4EF1-95A0-59774CD9C898@jovi.net>

I believe Merik recorded all the chats ? maybe wise to review them for anything like a verbal contract, which could be binding under U.S. law but as to E.U. I have no clue.

		Peace
			?Devon

P.S.  As for unpublished documents, e.g., any MoU, I hope you noticed I always ask who can see them to before I accept them and so should you.

P.P.S.  David, I?m Devon7 on Skype and lurking at https://meet.jit.si/devon if you have a minute or so to call me.

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:43 AM, David Lanzend?rfer <leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Another thing.
> I don't know, whether Devon still is talking with Merik, but in case he comes
> and asks you for your MoU, don't hand out a copy!
> I don't know exactly what his plan is, with those MoUs, but better don't
> risk anything.
> 
> Cheers
> -lev_______________________________________________
> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Tue Apr 21 21:26:42 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:26:42 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Warning: Don't hand out your MoU
In-Reply-To: <2041B14B-27B7-4EF1-95A0-59774CD9C898@jovi.net>
References: <2037223.g0Bld5DAhV@lenny>
 <2041B14B-27B7-4EF1-95A0-59774CD9C898@jovi.net>
Message-ID: <11950633.nBRnbQtsdP@lenny>

Hi
If he would try to enforce anything in front of a judge, the recordings
clearly show that those agreements have been done under false pretenses.
He's just a grifter, I don't think that he really wants to draw the attention
from authorities, because then they'd become aware of what he's doing.
Just terminate any communication with that guy, then we should be fine.

-lev

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:17:49 PM WEST Devon Sean McCullough wrote:
> I believe Merik recorded all the chats ? maybe wise to review them for
> anything like a verbal contract, which could be binding under U.S. law but
> as to E.U. I have no clue.
> 
> 		Peace
> 			?Devon
> 
> P.S.  As for unpublished documents, e.g., any MoU, I hope you noticed I
> always ask who can see them to before I accept them and so should you.
> 
> P.P.S.  David, I?m Devon7 on Skype and lurking at https://meet.jit.si/devon
> if you have a minute or so to call me.
> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:43 AM, David Lanzend?rfer
> > <leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Another thing.
> > I don't know, whether Devon still is talking with Merik, but in case he
> > comes and asks you for your MoU, don't hand out a copy!
> > I don't know exactly what his plan is, with those MoUs, but better don't
> > risk anything.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > -lev_______________________________________________
> > Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

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From eegerferenc at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 00:45:34 2020
From: eegerferenc at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?w4lnZXIgRmVyZW5j?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 00:45:34 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
Message-ID: <CABMxOxhWMq8n5XnEj1o8ifCsh7KGj3S-BoD3jqDBQ_sW9qZB9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my mail
since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that "Lawson
English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got similar mail,
or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam?

BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please wrap up
shortly what the heck happened?

Regards,
Ferenc
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From cm.hardware.software.elsewhere at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 01:02:05 2020
From: cm.hardware.software.elsewhere at gmail.com (Christoph Maier)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:02:05 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
In-Reply-To: <CABMxOxhWMq8n5XnEj1o8ifCsh7KGj3S-BoD3jqDBQ_sW9qZB9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMxOxhWMq8n5XnEj1o8ifCsh7KGj3S-BoD3jqDBQ_sW9qZB9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMrFsiXOObSMxkDZhm+Yt6BEmk0iY3jM9FqvAd9tXm3oEjWKnw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:46 AM ?ger Ferenc <eegerferenc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my mail since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that "Lawson English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got similar mail, or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam?

That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik
Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik.
At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to
cancel your team invitation.

> BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please wrap up shortly what the heck happened?
I'll defer my decision how active I want to participate in this
keybase team until I have a better idea what the heck is happening.

> Regards,
> Ferenc
Confused,
tatzelbrumm

> _______________________________________________
> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

From hsank at posteo.de  Wed Apr 22 11:02:48 2020
From: hsank at posteo.de (Hagen SANKOWSKI)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:02:48 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
In-Reply-To: <CAMrFsiXOObSMxkDZhm+Yt6BEmk0iY3jM9FqvAd9tXm3oEjWKnw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2c07b7c7-7ec5-6b2d-0a3e-7622852276fb@posteo.de>



On 4/22/20 1:02 AM, Christoph Maier wrote:
> That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik
> Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik.
> At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to
> cancel your team invitation.

What the heck is going on here once again?

 "Divide et impera" ???

I do not like Meriks kind to hurry up all stuff. Under false pressure
the decisions are always went wrong.

Please let us look at our target - bringing LibreSilicon up and running
in a way we do not have to be embarrassed about..

Hagen.

From hsank at posteo.de  Wed Apr 22 14:17:30 2020
From: hsank at posteo.de (Hagen SANKOWSKI)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:17:30 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] LibreSilicon foundation
In-Reply-To: <4205147.b2lme4T7K8@lenny>
References: <4205147.b2lme4T7K8@lenny>
Message-ID: <0dbf7dba-2796-8433-5a09-dd93bb2ba33e@posteo.de>

Hello.

On 4/21/20 3:01 PM, David Lanzend?rfer wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> So, since there is still NO LibreSilicon foundation, I've decided, that I'll 
> probably just incorporate it myself, where I am right now, in Portugal.
>
> For 375? I can register the LibreSilicon foundation within two weeks, by going
> to this office here: https://www.irn.mj.pt/sections/irn
>
> I'll pay this fee from my own wallet.
>
> Two people will have to be present, so I hope Hernani and I can do that
> together, when he comes visiting me, after Corona Chan is done here,
> especially, because I could really use his help with the language.
>
> Does anyone have a problem with me incorporating the LibreSilicon foundation
> in Portugal?

No problem.
I just like to assure, we setup the foundation without hurry, with the
right foundation documents, well and healthy.
IMHO we need a original version (in English?) and a translated version
(in Portuguese?) side-by-side.
Can we discuss the documents properly?

Regards,
Hagen.

From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Wed Apr 22 17:24:23 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:24:23 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
In-Reply-To: <2c07b7c7-7ec5-6b2d-0a3e-7622852276fb@posteo.de>
References: <CABMxOxhWMq8n5XnEj1o8ifCsh7KGj3S-BoD3jqDBQ_sW9qZB9w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello
It *is* a scam.
Keybase.io is NOT infrastructure of Merik.
As a matter of fact, I haven't seen any infrastructure actually ran by Merik,
but in fact only publicly available services like jit.si and keybase.io
Lawson seems to be Merik' accomplice.
He di put up a show on jit.si where he acted, as if he'd be "tuning" the 
system, which is so hilarious, that not even he was able to keep a straight
face the whole time.
Merik now tries to convince me, that he could bring a fiber line online in
my flat, of which I know doesn't exist, because I've checked with the local
fiber providers and this area here doesn't have coverage yet.
Nevertheless Merik tries to get me to pay him 38 Euros upfront, claiming
"his partner company" would be ready to bring it online today.
This person is a conman, grifter and scammer, so is Lawson.
I've banned both of them from the mailing list and blocked Merik on Skype
and I would suggest you folks to do the same.
They seem to be after some of the money from the NLNet grants.
I already told Michiel to warn the other beneficiaries of the NLNet grant
to avoid interacting with Meric Voswinkel and Lawson English.

-lev

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:02:48 AM WEST Hagen SANKOWSKI wrote:
> On 4/22/20 1:02 AM, Christoph Maier wrote:
> > That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik
> > Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik.
> > At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to
> > cancel your team invitation.
> 
> What the heck is going on here once again?
> 
>  "Divide et impera" ???
> 
> I do not like Meriks kind to hurry up all stuff. Under false pressure
> the decisions are always went wrong.
> 
> Please let us look at our target - bringing LibreSilicon up and running
> in a way we do not have to be embarrassed about..
> 
> Hagen.
> _______________________________________________
> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

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From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Wed Apr 22 17:30:28 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:30:28 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
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Hello
The only interaction we should have with Meriks "LibreSilicon" channels
on keybase.io and jit.si is to report it as abuse to the responsible admins,
because he's abusing our project name for his scamming scheme.
I'll probably do that right away with keybase.

-lev

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:02:05 AM WEST Christoph Maier wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:46 AM ?ger Ferenc <eegerferenc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my mail
> > since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that "Lawson
> > English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got similar
> > mail, or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam?
> That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik
> Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik.
> At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to
> cancel your team invitation.
> 
> > BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please wrap up
> > shortly what the heck happened?
> I'll defer my decision how active I want to participate in this
> keybase team until I have a better idea what the heck is happening.
> 
> > Regards,
> > Ferenc
> 
> Confused,
> tatzelbrumm
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

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From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Wed Apr 22 17:35:59 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:35:59 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
In-Reply-To: <CABMxOxhWMq8n5XnEj1o8ifCsh7KGj3S-BoD3jqDBQ_sW9qZB9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMxOxhWMq8n5XnEj1o8ifCsh7KGj3S-BoD3jqDBQ_sW9qZB9w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Ferenc

Lawson and Merik are two scammers, who work together.

Do not join this team, or better, report Lawson and Merik to keybase.io
for abusing our project name.

As I've seen, they also have a reporting function.

-lev

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 11:45:34 PM WEST ?ger Ferenc wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my mail
> since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that "Lawson
> English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got similar mail,
> or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam?
> 
> BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please wrap up
> shortly what the heck happened?
> 
> Regards,
> Ferenc

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From ludwig.jaffe at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 08:17:55 2020
From: ludwig.jaffe at gmail.com (Ludwig Jaffe)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:17:55 +0200
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
In-Reply-To: <3885829.kboPy7luQ0@lenny>
References: <CABMxOxhWMq8n5XnEj1o8ifCsh7KGj3S-BoD3jqDBQ_sW9qZB9w@mail.gmail.com>
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Do thevscamers receive email and read it?
If so you might send them links to malware infested sites.
Having qubes-os I dont care for malware, as if it gets exploited, it is only a vm based on a template.

So this would be a way to deal with the problem, just refer them to their friends.

Cheers

Ludwig.

BTW how is youe corona panic level?

On April 22, 2020 5:30:28 PM GMT+02:00, "David Lanzend?rfer" <leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
>Hello
>The only interaction we should have with Meriks "LibreSilicon" channels
>on keybase.io and jit.si is to report it as abuse to the responsible
>admins,
>because he's abusing our project name for his scamming scheme.
>I'll probably do that right away with keybase.
>
>-lev
>
>On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:02:05 AM WEST Christoph Maier wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:46 AM ?ger Ferenc <eegerferenc at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> > Hello Everyone,
>> > 
>> > I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my
>mail
>> > since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that
>"Lawson
>> > English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got
>similar
>> > mail, or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam?
>> That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik
>> Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik.
>> At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to
>> cancel your team invitation.
>> 
>> > BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please
>wrap up
>> > shortly what the heck happened?
>> I'll defer my decision how active I want to participate in this
>> keybase team until I have a better idea what the heck is happening.
>> 
>> > Regards,
>> > Ferenc
>> 
>> Confused,
>> tatzelbrumm
>> 
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Libresilicon-developers mailing list
>> > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
>> >
>https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
>> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
>>
>https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

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From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Thu Apr 23 11:32:02 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:32:02 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
In-Reply-To: <4E99DFFB-8383-48EE-BE53-E8A021DC6B68@gmail.com>
References: <CABMxOxhWMq8n5XnEj1o8ifCsh7KGj3S-BoD3jqDBQ_sW9qZB9w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Ludwig

It's more serious than that, LibreSilicon is right now under a social
engineering attack in the Kevin Mitnick style, and I'm afraid that some folks
might not be enough resilient against such psychological manipulation.

It's not about malware, it's strategic.
There's a guy who wants to tap into the NLNet funds, some of our team
members have received.

For this purpose, he's trying to deface our project and lure our team members
into groups, like the "libresilicon" group on keybase, which he has created
and holds the administration rights, which is totally NOT OK, because he's not
an active member of the team, nor did we ever give him the job to create such
a group with this name.

I also found out, that he's trying to convince people, that "I wouldn't be
suitable for the leading role at LibreSilicon", which shows me that he's 
scared of me, because I'm a sociopath which means that conning doesn't work
with me, and also, that he doesn't understand how our project is working.

Anyway. After he tried to sell me that he could bring online a fiber line,
which doesn't exist (which was a trap I had set for him), and asked
for 38 Euros upfront, I blocked him on Skype and banned him from
the mailing list, as well as his buddy Lawson English.

BTW: Also avoid a guy with the name Lawson English.

Cheers
-lev

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:17:55 AM WEST Ludwig Jaffe wrote:
> Do thevscamers receive email and read it?
> If so you might send them links to malware infested sites.
> Having qubes-os I dont care for malware, as if it gets exploited, it is only
> a vm based on a template.
> 
> So this would be a way to deal with the problem, just refer them to their
> friends.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ludwig.
> 
> BTW how is youe corona panic level?
> 
> On April 22, 2020 5:30:28 PM GMT+02:00, "David Lanzend?rfer" 
<leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
> >Hello
> >The only interaction we should have with Meriks "LibreSilicon" channels
> >on keybase.io and jit.si is to report it as abuse to the responsible
> >admins,
> >because he's abusing our project name for his scamming scheme.
> >I'll probably do that right away with keybase.
> >
> >-lev
> >
> >On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:02:05 AM WEST Christoph Maier wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:46 AM ?ger Ferenc <eegerferenc at gmail.com>
> >
> >wrote:
> >> > Hello Everyone,
> >> > 
> >> > I "just" received (actually on Apr. 13, but I did not log in to my
> >
> >mail
> >
> >> > since then, so I just read) a notification from "Keybase" that
> >
> >"Lawson
> >
> >> > English" invited me to a "libresilicon" team. Did anyone got
> >
> >similar
> >
> >> > mail, or can anyone confirm if it is not a scam?
> >> 
> >> That's a keybase.io "libresilicon" team created and owned by Merik
> >> Voswinkel, so whether or not this is a scam depends on Merik.
> >> At the moment, I'm in that team and was even given enough rights to
> >> cancel your team invitation.
> >> 
> >> > BTW: @David: I wasn't in Jitsi (sorry for that), can you please
> >
> >wrap up
> >
> >> > shortly what the heck happened?
> >> 
> >> I'll defer my decision how active I want to participate in this
> >> keybase team until I have a better idea what the heck is happening.
> >> 
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Ferenc
> >> 
> >> Confused,
> >> tatzelbrumm
> >> 
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> >> > Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> >
> >https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Libresilicon-developers mailing list
> >> Libresilicon-developers at list.libresilicon.com
> >
> >https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers

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From lkcl at lkcl.net  Thu Apr 23 18:54:53 2020
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:54:53 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Lanzend?rfer
<leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:

> Hi Ludwig
>
> It's more serious than that, LibreSilicon is right now under a social
> engineering attack in the Kevin Mitnick style,

he's just tried to offer me a seat on the board of directors of the
LibreSilicon Foundation.

l.

From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Thu Apr 23 19:12:17 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:12:17 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
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Hi Luke

The foundation doesn't exist. Otherwise it would be possible to find it 
online, when looking for foundations in the Netherlands.
I have to incorporate the foundation first here in Portugal (will cost me 375 
Euros) which is only possible, when the offices open up again.
There needs to be at least two people signing the foundation contract...
I think, I'll ask Hernani, when he comes visiting me.

I already told Michiel to warn all the beneficiaries from the NLNet grant,
that Merik would be targeting everyone, who receives money from NLNet. 
I suggest to ignore any attempts by Merik to contact you, and you should
everyone you know, who got a NLNet grant to avoid Merik and Lawson.

Cheers
-lev

> <leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
> > Hi Ludwig
> > 
> > It's more serious than that, LibreSilicon is right now under a social
> > engineering attack in the Kevin Mitnick style,
> 
> he's just tried to offer me a seat on the board of directors of the
> LibreSilicon Foundation.
> 
> l.
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From lkcl at lkcl.net  Thu Apr 23 19:17:49 2020
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:17:49 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM David Lanzend?rfer
<leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:

> I already told Michiel to warn all the beneficiaries from the NLNet grant,
> that Merik would be targeting everyone, who receives money from NLNet.
> I suggest to ignore any attempts by Merik to contact you, and you should
> everyone you know, who got a NLNet grant to avoid Merik and Lawson.

http://lists.libre-riscv.org/pipermail/libre-riscv-dev/2020-April/006120.html

l.

From leviathan at libresilicon.com  Thu Apr 23 19:23:49 2020
From: leviathan at libresilicon.com (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:23:49 +0100
Subject: [Libre-silicon-devel] Keybase
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Hi Luke
Very well done!

Cheers
-lev

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:17:49 PM WEST Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 
wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM David Lanzend?rfer
> 
> <leviathan at libresilicon.com> wrote:
> > I already told Michiel to warn all the beneficiaries from the NLNet grant,
> > that Merik would be targeting everyone, who receives money from NLNet.
> > I suggest to ignore any attempts by Merik to contact you, and you should
> > everyone you know, who got a NLNet grant to avoid Merik and Lawson.
> 
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