Announcement - Mumble session on Sunday 2021-05-16 @ 18:00 UTC
Hello List! This is our weekly announcement for the next Mumble Sessions on Sunday 2021-05-16 @ 18:00 UTC. Please join us as usual at our Mumble Server murmur.libresilicon.com at Port 64738, the Channel is IC. We like to follow-up our topics from mumble sessions before: - DMD chips for the Stepper - Glove Box - NLnet (virtual) Workshop - etc. Regards, Hagen.
Hi As you all know, I'm supposed to have a panel discussion on Monday with the folks from NG Zero. I've prepared some slides and would be interested into some feed back. Cheers David On Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:20:31 AM WEST Hagen SANKOWSKI wrote:
Hello List!
This is our weekly announcement for the next Mumble Sessions on Sunday
2021-05-16 @ 18:00 UTC.
Please join us as usual at our Mumble Server murmur.libresilicon.com at Port 64738, the Channel is IC.
We like to follow-up our topics from mumble sessions before: - DMD chips for the Stepper - Glove Box - NLnet (virtual) Workshop - etc.
Regards, Hagen. _______________________________________________ Libresilicon-developers mailing list Libresilicon-developers@list.libresilicon.com https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
Hi, my 2 cents since I again don't know if I can attend the session: If I was thinking about funding LS, I would have some questions: - how does a 50u-in-a-garage process help establish 1u-in-a-lab? Making sure that the garage process is not a dead end. - will funding help you get back into a lab where you can do CMOS manufacturing (i.e. is money actually the problem here)? If that lab is not INL, which is it? Other than that, you mentioned the open source toolchain. I'm not sure which one you mean, just making sure you have seen this one since knowing about tool development will probably raise the credibility: https://theopenroadproject.org/ https://github.com/The-OpenROAD-Project This toolchain actually worked out of the box and gave me a GDS file for my verilog. With the toolchain from opencircuitdesign I gave up after a week of working around bugs and compilation errors. They are also working together with a tool like Magic called klayout that is actually meant to be used by human beings. Greetings, Martin On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:33 AM David Lanzendörfer < leviathan@libresilicon.com> wrote:
Hi As you all know, I'm supposed to have a panel discussion on Monday with the folks from NG Zero. I've prepared some slides and would be interested into some feed back.
Cheers David
On Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:20:31 AM WEST Hagen SANKOWSKI wrote:
Hello List!
This is our weekly announcement for the next Mumble Sessions on Sunday
2021-05-16 @ 18:00 UTC.
Please join us as usual at our Mumble Server murmur.libresilicon.com at Port 64738, the Channel is IC.
We like to follow-up our topics from mumble sessions before: - DMD chips for the Stepper - Glove Box - NLnet (virtual) Workshop - etc.
Regards, Hagen. _______________________________________________ Libresilicon-developers mailing list Libresilicon-developers@list.libresilicon.com https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
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Hello Martin. Well, we got stopped during the 1 micron process by the Hong Kong protests while already verifying our process on a test wafer named PearlRiver. Our man-power is limited, we are happy about any helping hand we can get. So, the relatively new target of an 50 micron process is a intermediate step to attract more developers/people to a silicon manufacturing process at all. We have to spread the knowledge which isn't rocket science. While publishing a quite simple process suitable for basement or garage hopefully we will rise up more skilled people for silicon-base chip-making technology.. Once we reach this 50 micron target, with more help and money, we can go further to our 1 micron target and beyond. And yes, we need money as long as the access to clean rooms has to be paid. I hope this helps. Regards, Hagen. On 5/16/21 8:12 AM, Martin Geisse wrote:
Hi,
my 2 cents since I again don't know if I can attend the session:
If I was thinking about funding LS, I would have some questions: - how does a 50u-in-a-garage process help establish 1u-in-a-lab? Making sure that the garage process is not a dead end. - will funding help you get back into a lab where you can do CMOS manufacturing (i.e. is money actually the problem here)? If that lab is not INL, which is it?
Other than that, you mentioned the open source toolchain. I'm not sure which one you mean, just making sure you have seen this one since knowing about tool development will probably raise the credibility: https://theopenroadproject.org/ https://github.com/The-OpenROAD-Project This toolchain actually worked out of the box and gave me a GDS file for my verilog. With the toolchain from opencircuitdesign I gave up after a week of working around bugs and compilation errors. They are also working together with a tool like Magic called klayout that is actually meant to be used by human beings.
Greetings, Martin
On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:33 AM David Lanzendörfer <leviathan@libresilicon.com <mailto:leviathan@libresilicon.com>> wrote:
Hi As you all know, I'm supposed to have a panel discussion on Monday with the folks from NG Zero. I've prepared some slides and would be interested into some feed back.
Cheers David
On Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:20:31 AM WEST Hagen SANKOWSKI wrote: > Hello List! > > This is our weekly announcement for the next Mumble Sessions on Sunday > > 2021-05-16 @ 18:00 UTC. > > Please join us as usual at our Mumble Server murmur.libresilicon.com <http://murmur.libresilicon.com> at > Port 64738, the Channel is IC. > > We like to follow-up our topics from mumble sessions before: > - DMD chips for the Stepper > - Glove Box > - NLnet (virtual) Workshop > - etc. > > Regards, > Hagen. > _______________________________________________ > Libresilicon-developers mailing list > Libresilicon-developers@list.libresilicon.com <mailto:Libresilicon-developers@list.libresilicon.com> > https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
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Guys is it possible to share the session on YouTube? Sent from my iPhone
On May 16, 2021, at 10:47 PM, Hagen SANKOWSKI <hsank@posteo.de> wrote:
Hello Martin.
Well, we got stopped during the 1 micron process by the Hong Kong protests while already verifying our process on a test wafer named PearlRiver.
Our man-power is limited, we are happy about any helping hand we can get. So, the relatively new target of an 50 micron process is a intermediate step to attract more developers/people to a silicon manufacturing process at all. We have to spread the knowledge which isn't rocket science. While publishing a quite simple process suitable for basement or garage hopefully we will rise up more skilled people for silicon-base chip-making technology..
Once we reach this 50 micron target, with more help and money, we can go further to our 1 micron target and beyond. And yes, we need money as long as the access to clean rooms has to be paid.
I hope this helps.
Regards, Hagen.
On 5/16/21 8:12 AM, Martin Geisse wrote: Hi,
my 2 cents since I again don't know if I can attend the session:
If I was thinking about funding LS, I would have some questions: - how does a 50u-in-a-garage process help establish 1u-in-a-lab? Making sure that the garage process is not a dead end. - will funding help you get back into a lab where you can do CMOS manufacturing (i.e. is money actually the problem here)? If that lab is not INL, which is it?
Other than that, you mentioned the open source toolchain. I'm not sure which one you mean, just making sure you have seen this one since knowing about tool development will probably raise the credibility: https://theopenroadproject.org/ https://github.com/The-OpenROAD-Project This toolchain actually worked out of the box and gave me a GDS file for my verilog. With the toolchain from opencircuitdesign I gave up after a week of working around bugs and compilation errors. They are also working together with a tool like Magic called klayout that is actually meant to be used by human beings.
Greetings, Martin
On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:33 AM David Lanzendörfer <leviathan@libresilicon.com <mailto:leviathan@libresilicon.com>> wrote:
Hi As you all know, I'm supposed to have a panel discussion on Monday with the folks from NG Zero. I've prepared some slides and would be interested into some feed back.
Cheers David
On Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:20:31 AM WEST Hagen SANKOWSKI wrote: Hello List!
This is our weekly announcement for the next Mumble Sessions on Sunday
2021-05-16 @ 18:00 UTC.
Please join us as usual at our Mumble Server murmur.libresilicon.com <http://murmur.libresilicon.com> at Port 64738, the Channel is IC.
We like to follow-up our topics from mumble sessions before: - DMD chips for the Stepper - Glove Box - NLnet (virtual) Workshop - etc.
Regards, Hagen. _______________________________________________ Libresilicon-developers mailing list Libresilicon-developers@list.libresilicon.com <mailto:Libresilicon-developers@list.libresilicon.com> https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
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Hi You can either watch it live or watch the recording afterwards. That's the URL where the video will be available: https://bbb.tbm.tudelft.nl/streams/joo-a5l-sau-zuu Cheers On Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:24:44 PM WEST Mohammad Amin Nili wrote:
Guys is it possible to share the session on YouTube?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 16, 2021, at 10:47 PM, Hagen SANKOWSKI <hsank@posteo.de> wrote:
Hello Martin.
Well, we got stopped during the 1 micron process by the Hong Kong protests while already verifying our process on a test wafer named PearlRiver.
Our man-power is limited, we are happy about any helping hand we can get. So, the relatively new target of an 50 micron process is a intermediate step to attract more developers/people to a silicon manufacturing process at all. We have to spread the knowledge which isn't rocket science. While publishing a quite simple process suitable for basement or garage hopefully we will rise up more skilled people for silicon-base chip-making technology..
Once we reach this 50 micron target, with more help and money, we can go further to our 1 micron target and beyond. And yes, we need money as long as the access to clean rooms has to be paid.
I hope this helps.
Regards, Hagen.
On 5/16/21 8:12 AM, Martin Geisse wrote: Hi,
my 2 cents since I again don't know if I can attend the session:
If I was thinking about funding LS, I would have some questions: - how does a 50u-in-a-garage process help establish 1u-in-a-lab? Making sure that the garage process is not a dead end. - will funding help you get back into a lab where you can do CMOS manufacturing (i.e. is money actually the problem here)? If that lab is not INL, which is it?
Other than that, you mentioned the open source toolchain. I'm not sure which one you mean, just making sure you have seen this one since knowing about tool development will probably raise the credibility: https://theopenroadproject.org/ https://github.com/The-OpenROAD-Project This toolchain actually worked out of the box and gave me a GDS file for my verilog. With the toolchain from opencircuitdesign I gave up after a week of working around bugs and compilation errors. They are also working together with a tool like Magic called klayout that is actually meant to be used by human beings.
Greetings, Martin
On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:33 AM David Lanzendörfer
<leviathan@libresilicon.com <mailto:leviathan@libresilicon.com>> wrote: Hi As you all know, I'm supposed to have a panel discussion on Monday with the folks from NG Zero. I've prepared some slides and would be interested into some feed back.
Cheers David
On Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:20:31 AM WEST Hagen SANKOWSKI wrote: Hello List!
This is our weekly announcement for the next Mumble Sessions on Sunday
2021-05-16 @ 18:00 UTC.
Please join us as usual at our Mumble Server
murmur.libresilicon.com <http://murmur.libresilicon.com> at
Port 64738, the Channel is IC.
We like to follow-up our topics from mumble sessions before: - DMD chips for the Stepper - Glove Box - NLnet (virtual) Workshop - etc.
Regards, Hagen. _______________________________________________ Libresilicon-developers mailing list Libresilicon-developers@list.libresilicon.com
<mailto:Libresilicon-developers@list.libresilicon.com>
https://list.libresilicon.com/mailman/listinfo/libresilicon-developers
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participants (4)
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David Lanzendörfer -
Hagen SANKOWSKI -
Martin Geisse -
Mohammad Amin Nili