Agreed. Nicolas Cordero from ASCENT+ just came back to me. The other laboratories haven't gotten back to him about my proposal to adapt LibreSilicon to their equipment. Considering how they're organized, they're clearly NOT a business entity... Yeah. Maybe we need to found something like a company in order to do trading. I know someone here with an import export license, and will check how much it costs to get one as well. I guess it will go towards me incorporating a company here in Portugal, so that I can send around chemicals and equipment, as we've discussed.
Cheers -lev
On Thursday, March 25, 2021 10:51:11 PM WET Pavel Nikulin wrote:
I will totally support you on this.
While you all are EU, or EEC citizens, I believe a foreigner will still need a legal entity just to do anything even in the liberal Europe.
I'm stuck in the very same situation now while being stuck abroad for the last year due to covid, and quarantines. Countries didn't spend the last century making it hard to do business things without having a business entity for nothing: getting things through the customs, renting an office, doing even smallest transactions for services... I'm running into that every day.
Pavel Nikulin Software Engineer +7 702 851 0788 pavel@noa-labs.com
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 4:38 AM Ferenc Éger eegerferenc@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I see two problems with that approach: first, they will be most likely unwilling to take responsibility for our grey-zone chemical toy, that's the purpose the idea of forming an entity came up for. Second, in my opinion, if we want to do serious things like presenting a product or service to the market in exchange of financial compensation (either for-profit or non-profit), at some point it will become unavoidable that we form something that is, on an administrative, business and legal level, more than a private citizen acting along direct interpersonal contacts in name of some group of other private citizens or an externally more-or-less obscure open-source project.
Regards,
Ferenc
On 25/03/2021 18:53, David Lanzendörfer wrote:
Hey List! AFAIK, ASCENT+ is already a cooperative, so if we could get out foot into that club, we would already have achieved that goal. In addition, we'd get access to clean rooms and services across Europe.
Cheers -lev
On Thursday, March 25, 2021 5:24:38 PM WET Hagen SANKOWSKI wrote:
Hello List!
Last Sunday we talked also about "Legal background: form a limited-liability company to handle the stuff."
Well, I vote for using a SCE [0] to fulfill this legal task instead of a company.
A company is mostly owned be some individuals which rules the whole process in a "capitalistic" way. And I do not thinks this form will reflect our mission to bring the advantage of an open-and-free technology to the masses.
In my opinion a cooperative fits better into our community-based environment. We need at least five entities (persons or institutions) from two different European Countries - a goal I guess we can reach while our active members are all located in Europe.
So, the SCE can attract many members and give us a legal home for that. Okay, on backside of the SCE, a higher effort is driving/leading this cooperative because the SCE lives with the engagement of all of its members. I understand this as an enrichment. :-)
Regarding the naming rules I propose
"SCE LibreSilicon Alliance" as a suitable namefor our cooperative enterprise.
Some arguments for cooperatives also Wikipedia has [1].
Please feel free - even if your not from Europe - to give any feedback which Advantages and Disadvantages do you see in setting up and driving a SCE. Let's argue and find the best legal form to build a great LibreSilicon community.
Live long and prosper, Hagen.
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