Fwd: GitHub and Trade Controls
How could it be even possible?!!! Sanctions imposed by U.S. gov even could affect on open source community?! Is it possible for the list to create a personal repository?
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From: GitHub <noreply@github.com> Subject: GitHub and Trade Controls Date: July 26, 2019 at 9:46:37 PM GMT+4:30 To: manili
Due to U.S. trade controls law restrictions, your GitHub account has been restricted. For individual accounts, you may have limited access to free GitHub public repository services for personal communications only. Please read about GitHub and Trade Controls at https://help.github.com/articles/github-and-trade-controls for more information.
Crimea, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Syria. Those are the countries that are supposed to be restricted, and no others. Unless a new country has been added? Or, did you use tor or a VPN to access github? L. On Saturday, July 27, 2019, Mohammad Amin Nili <manili.devteam@gmail.com> wrote:
How could it be even possible?!!! Sanctions imposed by U.S. gov even could affect on open source community?! Is it possible for the list to create a personal repository?
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This is not my question Luke. My question is “Why U.S. gov could restrict open source community?! This is exactly oppose to the intention of making things open! How could you trust Mr.Trump to not ban another country one day?” The Libresilicon is using GitHub for hosting the code, what would happen if they change their policy one day and then we can not deliver the product to Chinese for example?
On Jul 26, 2019, at 11:35 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:
Crimea, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Syria.
Those are the countries that are supposed to be restricted, and no others.
Unless a new country has been added?
Or, did you use tor or a VPN to access github?
L.
On Saturday, July 27, 2019, Mohammad Amin Nili <manili.devteam@gmail.com <mailto:manili.devteam@gmail.com>> wrote: How could it be even possible?!!! Sanctions imposed by U.S. gov even could affect on open source community?! Is it possible for the list to create a personal repository?
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From: GitHub <noreply@github.com <mailto:noreply@github.com>> Subject: GitHub and Trade Controls Date: July 26, 2019 at 9:46:37 PM GMT+4:30 To: manili
Due to U.S. trade controls law restrictions, your GitHub account has been restricted. For individual accounts, you may have limited access to free GitHub public repository services for personal communications only. Please read about GitHub and Trade Controls at https://help.github.com/articles/github-and-trade-controls <https://help.github.com/articles/github-and-trade-controls> for more information.
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On Saturday, July 27, 2019, Mohammad Amin Nili <manili.devteam@gmail.com> wrote:
This is not my question Luke. My question is “Why U.S. gov could restrict open source community?!
Because the US trade war does not care if you are a Libre Developer or not. It does not care if the person maintains software that circumvents opression in that country.
This is exactly oppose to the intention of making things open!
Profits do not care. Now you get to fully appreciate the consequences of depending on monopolistic and centralised power. You think things changed at all? Microsoft Window was a monopoly, a dominant monoculture, and now they bought github, that is a dominant monoculrure too. When will people get it through their thick heads to stop using centralised resources??
How could you trust Mr.Trump to not ban another country one day?”
Yep.
The Libresilicon is using GitHub for hosting the code, what would happen if they change their policy one day and then we can not deliver the product to Chinese for example?
Or if HK bring considered part of China, libresilicon gets cut off entirely from github as well. The shit hits the fan basicslly. I _have_ been warning people for several years. They of course laughed and were extremely vicious and spiteful. L. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
Hi
Crimea, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Syria. Those are the countries that are supposed to be restricted, and no others. Unless a new country has been added? Dude. Mohammed is from Iran...
Besides that. LibreSilicon does not only have developers from restricted countries in their team, but also, because of its free silicon nature, will interfere severely with the patriots act and some other US policies, which will get us banned by the US sooner or later anyway. Because of this, I already have setup git.libresilicon.com (Our own GIT host) as well as redmine.libresilicon.com (Our own tracker) and I'm in the process of moving *all* the projects over there, right now. -lev
On Saturday, July 27, 2019, David Lanzendörfer <leviathan@libresilicon.com> wrote:
Hi
Crimea, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Syria. Those are the countries that are supposed to be restricted, and no others. Unless a new country has been added? Dude. Mohammed is from Iran...
sigh. I never check and don't care where people are from. if they're contributing to libre projects, that's what's awesome and what counts.
Besides that.
LibreSilicon does not only have developers from restricted countries in their team, but also, because of its free silicon nature, will interfere severely with the patriots act and some other US policies, which will get us banned by the US sooner or later anyway.
I wish that there was a flaw somewhere in this line of reasoning. It is sad to recognise some of the worst aspects of history unfold yet again, right now, in 2019. Because of this, I already have setup git.libresilicon.com (Our own GIT
host) as well as redmine.libresilicon.com (Our own tracker) and I'm in the process of moving *all* the projects over there, right now.
Fantastic. L. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Sat, 2019-07-27 at 07:44 +0800, David Lanzendörfer wrote:
Hi
Crimea, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Syria. Those are the countries that are supposed to be restricted, and no others. Unless a new country has been added?
Dude. Mohammed is from Iran...
Besides that.
LibreSilicon does not only have developers from restricted countries in their team, but also, because of its free silicon nature, will interfere severely with the patriots act and some other US policies, which will get us banned by the US sooner or later anyway.
Because of this, I already have setup git.libresilicon.com (Our own GIT host) as well as redmine.libresilicon.com (Our own tracker) and I'm in the process of moving *all* the projects over there, right now.
-lev
Why is this even an issue ? An international group of developers, without any affiliations with/to the US (even if there are US based contributors) should be free of US control and their Big Brother policies. The way I see it, is we need an alternative to git-hub, a mirror if you will, that is located in a "libre" country. rudi =============================================================== Rudolf Usselmann, ASICS World Services, LTD, www.asics.ws Your IP Partner: SAS 12G, SATA-3, USB-3, SD/MMC/SDIO, FEC, etc. The agony of poor quality remains long after the joy of low cost has been forgotten This email message may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized use is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.
Hi
Why is this even an issue ?
An international group of developers, without any affiliations with/to the US (even if there are US based contributors) should be free of US control and their Big Brother policies.
The way I see it, is we need an alternative to git-hub, a mirror if you will, that is located in a "libre" country. Indeed.
*.libresilicon.com is already hosted on server, which I own, which is screwed into a server rack in Zürich and ran by a friend of mine. So this problem has already been solved. -lev
On Sat, 2019-07-27 at 11:03 +0800, David Lanzendörfer wrote:
Hi
Why is this even an issue ?
An international group of developers, without any affiliations with/to the US (even if there are US based contributors) should be free of US control and their Big Brother policies.
The way I see it, is we need an alternative to git-hub, a mirror if you will, that is located in a "libre" country.
Indeed.
*.libresilicon.com is already hosted on server, which I own, which is screwed into a server rack in Zürich and ran by a friend of mine.
So this problem has already been solved.
-lev
Perhaps you can mirror the libre* related projects on that server ? It might also be a good idea to get in touch with EFF, to at least point out this issue. rudi =============================================================== Rudolf Usselmann, ASICS World Services, LTD, www.asics.ws Your IP Partner: SAS 12G, SATA-3, USB-3, SD/MMC/SDIO, FEC, etc. The agony of poor quality remains long after the joy of low cost has been forgotten This email message may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized use is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.
Hi
Perhaps you can mirror the libre* related projects on that server ? Lots of them are already there: https://redmine.libresilicon.com/projects
It might also be a good idea to get in touch with EFF, to at least point out this issue. Be my guest ;-)
-lev
So if github will be shut down or unreachable we will deploy gitlab or something similar on different machines in the world. The advantage of git: I one cloned the repo the bug is out an the one can judt open a new git server and git is open source. If you believe in moon Nazis, they also can host git if they exist and have the means. So nothing to worry about. Open source is free as in freedom and git has no central entity that can be blocked to block the project. Gitlab is an open source replacemen with webbrowser support and looks a bit different. Cheers Ludwig On Friday, July 26, 2019, Mohammad Amin Nili <manili.devteam@gmail.com> wrote:
How could it be even possible?!!! Sanctions imposed by U.S. gov even could affect on open source community?! Is it possible for the list to create a personal repository?
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On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 9:41 PM ludwig jaffe <ludwig.jaffe@gmail.com> wrote:
So if github will be shut down or unreachable we will deploy gitlab or something similar on different machines in the world. The advantage of git: I one cloned the repo the bug is out an the one can judt open a new git server and git is open source. If you believe in moon Nazis, they also can host git if they exist and have the means. So nothing to worry about.
this is what most people believe. the issue is not "worry", it's "time" and "convenience". git is *not* an issue tracker, or a mailing list, or an IRC channel, or a mumble session, or a project management / coordination replacement. also, git is *not* distributed, it's *replicable*. you have to take *manual action* to "distribute" it. this is a quirk / ambiguity in the english language regarding the word "distributed".
Open source is free as in freedom and git has no central entity that can be blocked to block the project. Gitlab is an open source replacemen with webbrowser support and looks a bit different.
the moment that you set up a website it becomes (a) a pain in the ass to maintain (b) a centralised single point of failure. i wrote about what a truly distributed project management "suite" using *properly* distributed git tools would look like, as far back as 2008. https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14448834&cid=58995278 l.
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Rudolf Usselmann